DE List for Review

[uriens]

Archon
power weapon, tormentor helm, shadow field, combat drugs, reaver jetbike
* leads a reaver bike squadron

Haemonculous
scissor hand, destructor
*travels with the wyches

7 wyches w/wych weapons
1 wyche w/blaster
1 succubus w/ agonizer, splinter pistol
mounted in a raider with disentegrator

7 warriors w/ splinter rifles
1 warrior w/ blaster
1 warrior w/ splinter cannon
1 sybarite w/ agonizer, pistol
mounted in a raider with dark lance

7 warriors w/ splinter rifles
1 warrior w/ blaster
1 warrior w/ splinter cannon
1 sybarite w/ agonizer, pistol
mounted in a raider with dark lance

7 warriors w/ splinter rifles
1 warrior w/ blaster
1 warrior w/ splinter cannon
1 sybarite w/ agonizer, pistol
mounted in a raider with disentegrator

7 warriors w/ splinter rifles
1 warrior w/ blaster
1 warrior w/ splinter cannon
1 sybarite w/ agonizer, pistol
mounted in a raider with disentegrator

8 warriors w/ splinter rifles
2 warriors w/ dark lances

8 warriors w/ splinter rifles
2 warriors w/ dark lances

2 Talos

3 Reaver Jetbikes blasterx2

3 Reaver Jetbikes blasterx2
1 succubus on Reaver Jetbike w/ agonizer, tormentor helm

the list totals around 1820.

the idead is for the raider squads to attack en mass on a flank and try to gain local fire superiority and then disengage once the enemy maneuvers to attack. the warriors on foot serve as a fire support base and attack the enemy center, preferably targeting transports and tanks. the reavers are my highly mobile counter attack and along with the wyches will chew up isolated troops and try to avoid cose combat specialists. the talos move up under cover to make contact with the enemy line.

I have thought about experimenting with webway portals but I do not have any experience with them so I am somewhat hesitant.

[LesserEvil]

Ok to start of it is a very nice list. However there are some things wrong with it, or that I at least find need to be fixed to create a competitive army.

Ok first question, what is the point value that you are aiming at, 1850pts, 1750, 1500, 2000? It’s a little hard to tell but from what it looks like you are going for a 1850 pt list.

Second question what kinds of armies will you face? Tau, IG, SM, or are you trying to create a well balanced list to take on everyone?

Now I can try and help out with the list,

Haemonculous
scissor hand, destructor
*travels with the wyches

In my mind wyches don’t need help from a Haemonculous, and the flamer may well put them out of range for assault, (as well as being unable to FoF if they shoot). I think that the points can well be spent else where.

7 wyches w/wych weapons
1 wyche w/blaster
1 succubus w/ agonizer, splinter pistol
mounted in a raider with disentegrator

Great use of the squad might want to get it up to full power.

7 warriors w/ splinter rifles
1 warrior w/ blaster
1 warrior w/ splinter cannon
1 sybarite w/ agonizer, pistol
mounted in a raider with dark lance

For the tactic you want you are better off with a minimum number of warriors, and without the Sybarite. Because with the 4th edition the crash rules will wipe out these squads fast. And since you want fire superiority you don’t need a full squad for it, just more squads.

2 Talos

You have a very fast army these (although I love mine) really slow the whole thing down, take them out and either fill out your warrior squads, or put in a raveger with nightshilds and 3 disentegrator to put some major hurt on any enemy.

3 Reaver Jetbikes blasterx2

This squad is painfully small and with a 5+ save they will go down to everything, try getting a squad of 5 at the least, to fill out a Tank sniping role.

3 Reaver Jetbikes blasterx2
1 succubus on Reaver Jetbike w/ agonizer, tormentor helm

Again you need at least 5 otherwise they go down way to fast. If you want to get them into CC, then get a squad of 10 with an archon joining in, things die fast when getting hit by that wall.

Other then that you have a very solid list with a lot of potential. You just need to try it out ones and again, because enemy fire will really hurt your transports, while you don’t really have any real assault squads (not counting warriors). Other then that good luck, and I hope I have been helpful.


PS. There is a nice WWP tactics overview at the top of the page give that a read, if you want give it a shot.

[uriens]

Thanks for the advice! You have given me much to ponder! To answer your questions, I am shooting for a 1850 list. That seems to be the standard around here. Most of the people here play marines of some variant with a strong selection of shooty marines and a couple of IG players. I played SW until recently and decided to try something different. The WWP may be the way to go and only play testing will decide that I guess.

Here is what I have at my disposal right now:
1 Archon on jetbike
1 Archon on foot
1 Haemonculous
10 Incubi
10 Wyches
70 Warriors
6 Raiders
8 jetbikes
6 Hellions
1 Ravager (weapons interchangeable)
10 Scourges
2 Talos

I am thinking about adding another squad of wyches and maybe some warp beasts but I want to paint what I have first.

[LesserEvil]

Thanks for the advice! You have given me much to ponder! To answer your questions, I am shooting for a 1850 list. That seems to be the standard around here. Most of the people here play marines of some variant with a strong selection of shooty marines and a couple of IG players. I played SW until recently and decided to try something different. The WWP may be the way to go and only play testing will decide that I guess.

Yep it is far easier to figure out what works for you by playing it.

1 Archon on jetbike
1 Archon on foot
1 Haemonculous
10 Incubi
10 Wyches
70 Warriors
6 Raiders
8 jetbikes
6 Hellions
1 Ravager (weapons interchangeable)
10 Scourges
2 Talos

Ok according with what you told me, I see a few possibilities of what can work. Starting right off I will explain and list everything that you can do to make what you have a successful WWP army.

HQ
1 Archon on Jetbike (tooled out) = 169 pts
<CD, HG, PG, PW, SF, TH> *Edit as you will.

TROOPS
2 x 10 warriors with 2 DL = 200 *Anti-tank
2 x 20 Warriors (2 Blasters, 2 Splinter cannons, 1 sybarite with an Agonizer and WWP) = 532 *Carry the WWP from which things come out.

ELITE
10 Wyches (w/ wyche weapons, 1 Succubus with Agonizer) 1 Raider = 226 *In the WWP

FAST ATTACK *In the WWP
10 Reaver Jetbikes (2 Blasters, 1 sybarite with Agonizer, Tormentor helm) = 311
4 Hellions = 72

HEAVY
2 x 1 Talos = 200 *In the WWP
1 Ravager (3 Disintegrators, 1 Nightshield) = 140 *Kills things…

Total Points = 1850
Total Models = 88

Basic Strategy is to have the 2 large warrior squads advance up the middle 1st and/or 2nd turn open the WWP 1st, 2nd or 3rd turn (depending on who you fight). Then having Taloi, Jetbikes, Hellions, Archon and Wyches come right out, and tear apart anything that looks funny.

That’s that the basic plan of the army, add or take away depending on what you think will work for you, but with the new damage tables on crashed vehicles the raiders get taken down fast, and anything in there die bad. That’s why hiding them in WWP works so well. Just try to space out your warriors so blast and ordinance weapons don’t hurt to bad. If you need More WWP (or a saver way to transport them, take out the WWP from 1 warrior squad, and the hellions and add a Haemonculous with a WWP walking behind the 20 strong squads.

EDIT: hope that helps.