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Post by nightcrawler20003 on Jul 9, 2005 20:24:35 GMT
i have a dilemma. i started out wanting to build a coven...but then thought about 20 wyches coming out of a portal guarded by grotesques... now, do i take them, or do i keep the coven army?
thanks.
nightcrawler
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Rillietann
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Post by Rillietann on Jul 9, 2005 21:05:24 GMT
well thats your call, personally i prefer wyches mainly cos i thik the warrior models suck  |
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Post by LesserEvil on Jul 11, 2005 14:38:22 GMT
You can have a coven and have wyches (although fluff wise it wont work so good).
Make a normal Kabal with 2 sniper squads, and 3 Hemmys, get 2, 10 man Grot squads, and 1 big 20 man wyche squad in the WWP, from their fill in with Taloi.
Other then that I have no idea how to make it work under the current rules.
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Post by nightcrawler20003 on Jul 11, 2005 15:42:41 GMT
thats what i was going to do, only with a nine or eight man grotesque squad...so the haemonculi can put them in raiders to pop the portals. i just didn't know if i wanted to have anything wyche in there. but i think i'll max out the wyche squad and take it from there.
thanks
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Post by archon ko'zrohc on Jul 12, 2005 9:56:22 GMT
thats going to be hard to get to work stratigically, but, good luck |
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Post by nightcrawler20003 on Jul 16, 2005 16:16:19 GMT
i played a game yesterday against my friend's marines, i used eldar of course...only this game i proxied models to try out my grotesque army.
Archon with incubi retinue and raider
2 haemonculi (with wwp)
two squads of grotesques with raiders (to be joined by haemonculi
wyche squad of 10
two 'sniper' warrior squads
two talos
one ravager
thats basically what i had. the ravager got knocked down quick, but my talos's ate up two tac squads, two dreads and a speeder. my wyches were alright, but i decided to drop them...not making an uber wyche squad...just so i can take three grotesque squads...
-nightcrawler
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Post by LesserEvil on Jul 17, 2005 4:37:36 GMT
Nice to see you making good choices. As for the raveger... yeah it gets shot down fast, for me every shot that hits it manages to take it down  but when it lives (past 1st turn) it takes down quite a bit, or nothing at all... I think that another talos would work rather well for your army. Best of luck! and I hope we hear a battle report or a summary of the game. |
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Post by nightcrawler20003 on Jul 17, 2005 16:39:02 GMT
the game was a bit strange compared to my other games (i play black templar and a bit of nurgle as well as the dark eldar). usually its an all out defeat or all out victory. the tables turned three times if i recall correctly...but i'll try to post the battle as accurately as possible.
the terrain was half ruined buildings...half hills/trees. i got the trees and hills, he got the ruins.
"shadow knights" (opponents army...partially accurate)
librarian w/ jump pack
termie squad of about 7, 2 w/ assault cannons
Two venerable dreads...standard starting armament
three tac squads with flamers and bp/cc weapon
sqout sniper squad of 8
full assault squad with two plasma pistols
three land speeders (two with HB AC, one with MM and HF)
two whirlwinds
Reserves:
the archon and retinue
wyches
talos's
Turn 1:
i won the roll to go first, so i moved my two raiders out as far forwards and right (from my side left from my opponent's point of view)...my dark lance squads just move up and fleet while my ravager moves in to shoot at some land speeders. i make two drift into view of my sniper squads...
he moves his tac squads into building ruins...his snipers into a raised, opened topped bunker. his remaining speeder moves to keep unit coherancy, the assault squad moves to occupy the ruins with one tac squad just in front of the two raiders and ravager. the two whirlwinds target a raider and the ravager, dropping them both, my grotesques and haemonculus are unharmed...lucky.
Turn 2:
my haemonculus drops the wwp, the other raider drops the other grotesques next to the portal and goes off to kill the mm speeder...but fails. my sniper squads shoot at the two speeders that drifted into view, dropping them both, while my second haemonculus shoots his destructor into the ruins with the assault squad and tac squad. rolling 6...i kill a grand total of 1 person. wow.
his remaining speeder shoots down my remaining raider. he moves his troops out of the ruins again, while his assault squad charges out of the ruins to attempt to block the wwp. he assaults the second grotesque squad (the one that didn't drop the portal) ..killing two. his dreads just kind of mosey on down to where the portal is.......and the rest of his army are idling....i guess they just expected my killer sniper squads to flank them and assault them to death hhaha ..heh, sorry.
Turn 3:
talos one comes out of the portal with the archon's raider. the raider drops the retinue ( i know, this is illegal, but we realized that after the game). the talos and retinue eat the assault squad with them not making any hits (horray for the 6 attacks of the talos!!). the sniper squads continue to shoot at the tac squad in front of them...but kill only two. aaand...i believe thats it for my turn.
he moves his tac squad around the ruins to get to the wwp...then moves his dreads in closer, takes more shots at my grotesques with a whirlwind to try to kill the haemonculus...but the shot drifts over to his librarian, who was traveling with the assualt squad, but didn't get into combat (forgot why). the librarian is fine, and the other whirlwind targets a sniper squad....none die. heh.
Turn 4:
my second talos comes in. it pops up really close to a dreadnaught...(who i forgot to mention has been blasting away at my grotesques)...the talos eats the dread with no wounds lost, and my other talos attempts to continue to the librarian...eating him. my retinue get back in the raider and jump the ruins to get to the whirlwind....the dark lance shot misses and now there is a speeder and tac squad looking at my retinue's raider....
he looks at the purple raider (retinue's) and then to the talos. his other dreadnaught moves in to assault, his tac squad moves to shoot and the speeder does the same. all shooting puts the talos at one wound, then the dread assaults it, gets killed, then the tac squad assualts it...and kills the talos. he moves all remaining troops over to the other talos's general direction in a mad attempt to kill it (i was thinking 'wow, this is just like my landraiders' ....his only objective while versing my templar is to kill my land raiders). he shoots down the final raider, and yeah.
turn 5:
the talos moves in, with the remaining grotesques, still too far out of range...but the sting shoots and kills two marines. the lord assaults the tac squad that killed the talos, one turn kill....hmmmm, punisher.
he shoots with the heavy flamer on the speeder toasting both of my 'buffer' warriors, and a bodyguard. his tac squads move in...and his sniper squad shoots and the talos but nothing happens...heh...
Turn 6...final turn:
he is running out of time before he has to go to work so we decided that this would be the final turn.
i shoot some more with my dark lances killing 3 guys...my talos moves in and charges into the last few marines in the same squad...wiping them out, my wyches come in...and kill the speeder....the retinue moves next to the first whirlwind...then shoots with the blaster, missing....then assaults it with haywire grenades (incubi master, archon). it died...no explosion..thankfully.
he fires his other whirlwind at my retinue, killing all but three incubi.....i was mad...heh. his sniper team killed another two and then his last tac squad moved and really didn't do anything......
im sorry about the sketchy details. this was done to the best of my um...memory. next couple of battles i'll be sure to bring my camera and remember it all
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but when it lives (past 1st turn) it takes down quite a bit, or nothing at all... I think that another talos would work rather well for your army.